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[info]seiberwing
So while wandering the comments of the most recent Slacktivist post, I came up with this particular nugget of idiocy that required a bit of Jew rage.

Delivered with very little context.

Along the lines of prohibited foods, in the 9th LB book, Desecration, Nicky defiles the Temple in Jerusalem by riding atop an enormous pig. One of the thousands of onlookers wonders why.

"I don't get it," a man in front of Buck said, his accent German. "What's he doing?"

"Putting all previous religions in their places, Freidrich!" his wife said, her eyes glued to the scene. "Even Christianity. Especially Christianity."

"But what's with the pig?"

"Christianity has Jewish roots," she said, still not looking at him. "What's more offensive to a Jew than an animal he's not allowed to eat?"

As a Jew who observes the prohibition against eating pork, I don't find pigs or any other traif animals to be offensive. And I don't know any Jews who do. Among the things that I do find offensive false stereotypes of Jews -- especially by Christian religious leaders who think they have the slightest clue about what Jews actually think and believe.


In addition to the above, let me tally up what is wrong with this idiocy.

1. The Antichrist is riding on a pig. There is no way Mr. Carpathia can make that look dignified. I'm not sure anyone can make riding on a pig dignified, I don't care what kind of magic mind control powers they have.
2. We don't find pigs offensive because we can't eat them. In fact, we don't find the concept of 'pig' offensive at all, any more than most people would find the concept of 'cockroach' or 'rattlesnake' offensive just because they find eating them distasteful. We're forbidden from eating them or having much to do with them in general because they're unclean, much like shrimp, carrion birds, menstruating women, and people with skin diseases. Legion aside, pigs are not demonic entities.
2a. I've seen the word 'offensive' misused before in Christian propaganda before, usually in the context of nonChristian/atheist calling some tenet of the Christian religion (or in one case, some weird guy being a vampire until he was redeemed by Jesus) offensive. I don't think they quite understand that being offended is a far different thing than disagreeing or finding the idea completely idiotic. But since the word brings up images of people's delicate sensibilities being injured for no good reason, they keep using it.
3. Once again, although I shouldn't find it surprising in either this series or this section of the religion, everything comes back to Christianity. Defiling the Temple Antiochus-style? Totally a jab against the people who have no religious prohibition against pork or doctrinal tie to the Temple in Jerusalem. In these things, the Jews are never there just to be Jews. We're there to be the chosen people, to be the people God originally touched and therefore put on a pedestal or used to get themselves closer to God. It's like going to your boyfriend's ex for sex tips.
4. Ugh. I admit to not having the closest of emotional connections to Judaism, but I absolutely hate when people appropriate it for their own purposes, even in the most positive of senses. Yes, go ahead and support Israel all you like, but don't do it because enough Jews there will cast 'Summon Jesus' or because you have some kind of Jew fetish that means its existance is a universal positive no matter the consequences. The same goes for the Jews for Jesus dickwads who go around proclaiming themselves as Jews (but better!) despite the entirety of the actual Jewish race knowing that they're bloody posers.

*pauses for breath* Peh. So it's a hot button for me, I'm sorry. But it was a necessary rant. Here, have some entertainment.

A bit of education:

(Useless trivia of the day: The rabbis have already ruled on this subject. If the amount of traif is less than 1/60th of the total amount of food, then it's still considered kosher.)

And lulz:

One of my favorite podcasts is Best of the Left (http://www.bestoftheleftpodcast.com/). Their latest show, #265, features a segment from "This American Life" entitled "Trying to Kill Your Father." A young Jewish boy is told in Hebrew school that his sins may be visited on his father and may even cause his death. Since his father likes to get drunk and hit his kids, this sounds like a good deal to the kid, who goes out of his way to offend God by flipping light switches on the Sabbath and eating dairy with meat. (The kid is also preparing for a "Blessings Bee" where the students have to match the food to the proper blessing.)

I'm trying hard to ignore the "Left Behind" series for the same reason that I try to ignore forum trolls.

I like the Slacktivist picking it apart. It explores both the bad writing and the concepts behind the movement, and it's done by an actual Christian rather than an atheist of the PZ Meyers flavor.

Yes, go ahead and support Israel all you like, but don't do it because enough Jews there will cast 'Summon Jesus'

This may or may not be the best quote ever XD Can I metaquote?

Only if you link me when you do! ^_^

enough Jews there will cast 'Summon Jesus'

Namount of Jesus produced = Nnumber of Jews presente(katomic mass of Jew – 1)noldest generation of Jew present

Re: html, don't fail me now

[info]someidiot

2009-05-26 07:32 pm (UTC)

oh god can I add that to the metaquote I just posted?

Re: html, don't fail me now

[info]kookaburra1701

2009-05-26 07:40 pm (UTC)

Ha ha, sure, but I can't vouch for the accuracy of the calculation. It's been awhile since my last nuclear physics class.

I came here via metaquotes and I just wanted to say: Hells yeah.

I'm sorry. I got to "Nicky Carpathia rides a giant pig" and couldn't read the rest of the entry through my tears of laughter.

The author is very bad with names.

Here via metaquotes.

I really like what you said.

I read the first few LB books in the same mindset as I read sci-fi- "I'll accept your make-believe Universe for the sake of your story." Of course, when I got to the whole "Jews hate Jesus" thing, I wanted to scream. When discussing this with folks who read the book I always say "We don't hate Jesus. He's just irrelevant to us. I'm sure the French feel the same way about Abraham Lincoln."

Excellent way of putting it. A lot of the LB mindset is the idea that everybody secretly knows that Jesus exists as they say, but they must hate him and want to be free of him in order to sin as much as they please. Because the idea of just not believing at all doesn't register.

One of the more unknown bits of trivia brought up in one of my religious studies classes was that a whole truck load of major religions have no problem with Jesus. They agree he existed, and that he wasn't too bad a guy. Jews, Muslims (heck, he's one of the Islamic prophets), Buddhists (buddy and/or incarnation of Buddha), Hindus (another of the bajillions of deities), ets. (with exceptions, obviously) Not everyone is out to get him! They just don't think he's all that a bowl of soup!

This is the precise reason I get annoyed with Jews who vote for/support Republicans on the sole point that "They support Israel, unlike (Democratic candidate) who will sell us off to the Arabs!" No, they don't support the Jews' security, at least not wholly: they have a hard-on for the Bible and are probably keeping the stage swept for the day Jesus will whisk them all into the sky.

Jews really don't get off on the whole idea of a big battle at the end of the world (except the Lubuvitch, I suppose, and even they believe that everyone will live in harmony, not just Jews); I was raised Orthodox and I heard about nothing of the sort. That's why I don't know why so many Jews seem blind to the fact that the very idea of the Rapture blatantly uses the Jews; though I guess in turn we're using anyone who will stand guard over Israel like a guard dog forever hoping for a bit of steak.

I know Armageddon is a belief that's very important to some Christians, but it honestly strikes me as silly and childish. Yes, the world is imperfect. Yes, it's probably going to stay that way. Yes, we should try to make things better instead of expecting Jesus to snap his fingers and make it all peachy. In the meantime, we can try loving our neighbour and guarding against hypocrisy. Jesus was pretty down with that.

My Baptist in-laws knew nothing about Judaism when I first met them (they're from NC), which I'm pretty okay with. Frankly, they're one better than my paternal grandparents, who refused to let my non-Jewish husband enter their house until they moved to Israel where they don't have to watch my brothers and I marry goyim. But after 9/11, my in-laws said to me, "Just so you know, we support Israel 100%." That really burned my ass because they more or less associate Judaism with some proverbial mongoose who will clear out the venomous "Muslim threat." I'm not the world's biggest Zionist, and I like people to know there is so much more to the religion than an endless war with Arabs. Unfortunately, it all seems to boil down to Israel.

Edited at 2009-05-27 02:23 pm (UTC)

"They support Israel, unlike (Democratic candidate) who will sell us off to the Arabs!"

To be fair, Jews do that too. My granma nearly didn't vote for Obama because one of his advisers advocated talking with the Palestinians rather than eating their juicy internal organs.

Most of the Armageddon stuff, and LB specifically, thrives around the idea of a giant cosmic "told you so!" for the Real True Christians. It's not enough that the world be perfect, the people who didn't believe it have to be shown up and punished.

But after 9/11, my in-laws said to me, "Just so you know, we support Israel 100%."

Goddamn. I'd probably have raised quite a fuss if someone tried that on me. They seem to forget that until a short while ago Christians weren't the nicest people to the Jews either--heck, in certain periods the Muslims were far more accepting of Jews than the Christians, due to that little 'people of the book' caveat.

Republicans may not have the best longterm goals for the Jews, but they do give Israel 3.2 billion dollars in "Official Aid" with no ties, as well as weapons, and turn a blind eye to the genocide Israel is committing.

That said, Barack "constitutional law professor me? Never!" Obama isn't going to be much better.

Pfeh. It's the difference between "Israel as a flawed but valid country like any other, full of individuals who may disagree with their own country's policies but still support it" and "the Promised Land, a place which can do no wrong and suffer no misfortune as long as it exists and has Jews of any condition sitting on it".

I understand that it's hard for people to stomach the hell Israeli policies are causing, but it's... not an excuse for this ridiculous support for the things like bombing refugee camps, using illegal weapons, killing Palestinians like they're rabid dogs or subhumans.

And I'm just gonna cut this off right here, because I don't want an Israeli flamewar going down in my LJ. The real ones are bad enough.

Let's just say I've got cousins and friends there so I do support the country's existence, but I do get that some of what Israel is doing is fucked-up shit even in proportion to the fucked up shit being perpetuated on them by outside forces.

Here via metaquotes to add another hearty "thank you" and "LOL."

Sometimes I think being a liberal Jew = getting tsurris from every side.

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